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Post by SaraBloo on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:16 am

Hey there. My name is Sara, I'm 22 and I'm from Bangor in NI. I currently have 2 female rats I actually only got on the 16th of April. My old male (Who lived on his own. Bad I know) had to be put to sleep on the 13th due to illnesses to do with his age. And I missed him so much I got my two girls the monday after. Gosh me how two little girls are a shock to the system after a placid big old boy. I've never had girls before. They really mean it when they say they're more active and hyper than boys.

My boy was called Gideon Spencer and my two new little girls are called Edith and Sybil. I got my two girls from Pets At Home, which I probably won't be doing again. The night I got them home I noticed there was something not quite right with Sybil. She was making a lot of noise when she was breathing as well as sneezing fits and she was a lot less willing to interact with us than Edith was. I thought she might just need to settle in but after how Gideon had gone, by the Friday I decided I had to take them both to the vets to get them checked. (Which happened to be my birthday >w<)

Sure enough she has some kind of infection. The vet seems to think it's nasal. He's put them both on Baytril as he said if one has it, the other probably has it if they're litter/cage mates even if ones symptoms are worse than the others. Luckily Pets At Home covered that first vets bill, but the vet thinks we may have to try other antibiotics if the Baytril doesn't work. He said the kind of infection it is can be hard to clear up.

Anyways, a bit long winded sorry. I figured it might help talking to others that might have gone through the same things and might have tips for me. Smile

Anyways, Hi! Big Grin
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Post by Zoundz on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:22 am

Welcome to our little corner of the web.

Sorry you're having trouble with your girl - the sad side of petshops unfortunately. Roll Eyes What medication is she on and what dosages? What exactly is the noise like? Are there any symptoms other than noise? Can you weigh her? What about a video, can you perhaps do a video for us to see and hear her? Smile

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Post by SaraBloo on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:35 am

Yeah, though I look on the bright side that she could of ended up with someone that didn't know she needed the vet/have the money to pay for treatment and in a worse situation.

She's on baytril. 2ml's of Baytril in 100ml's of drinking water a day for 10 days. As we'd only had them for a week the vet figured putting it in the drinking water would be easiest as they're not hand tamed yet. They're small, fast and wriggly. And the noise is sometimes similar to the noise a guinea pig would make, then other times its weezy and sneezy/snorty. Though it seems to flare up at certain times, it's not constant.

I can't weigh her, cos like I said they're not too hand tamed yet. Especially her as she's not as interested in coming out as her more lively sister. Though she's a little fatter/bigger than her sister, which may be to do with her being less active. I don't know. I'll maybe try and get a vid. I'm hoping the Baytril works, though from what I've read putting it in drinking water isn't the best method.
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Post by Zoundz on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:47 am

Drinking water is a very bad idea for several reasons, it won't dose them properly, it doesn't get into the system quickly enough (they're not getting it all at once) and also there's the risk that they can taste it and it will put them off bottle drinking.

I will look up the right doses for you tomorrow and post back here, but I would say there's nothing for it but to give it in food, and failing that it'll have to be squirted into the mouth. If they are really hard to handle, you'll have to use gloves, and be firm. Perhaps there's a rat owner on here nearer to you who might be able to help? Smile

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Best way to weigh her too, put a carrier (pet carrier that you use for keeping them in when you clean out the cage) on a scales, set the weight to 0 and then put the rat in the carrier. That should give you the weight. We need to know the weight to help you pick dosages.

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Post by GillianK on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:36 pm

Hi, and welcome to the forum!

My Blanche had a resp infection a while back. She wheezed and sneezed for a long while. I got baytril in syringe and gave it to her orally for a few days, it took a long while to clear and eventually it cleared up on its own.

Resp infections are not uncommon in rats and baytril is usually very good, but useless in drinking water. So definitely use syringe method if you're giving medication. Additionally I wouldn't personally recommend treating Edith with antibiotics when she isn't showing any signs of illness. My Blanche's cagemate Dorothy didn't catch her resp infection at all. Only treat when the animal needs treatment, not as a just-in-case method imo.

I hope Sybil improves soon. She's maybe a little stressed with moving to new home too.
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Post by SaraBloo on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:11 pm

Thanks! I think since I've been treating them this way for 5 days, I might just continue and then take them back to the vet. Because he's just gave me enough Baytril to do it this way and I might run out if I start doing it differently/giving them a different dosage.

Edith can be a little bit snorty/sneezy but to a much lesser degree than Sybil, so it may just be dust or something causing her to be like that.

I think the only reason why he gave me it to put in the drinking water was because he seen how fast/hard to handle they were since we'd only had them 5 days. He also may have been taking into consideration the fact I'm physically disabled and therefore didnt think I would be able to do the syringe method whilst they're still so hard for handling.

If there's no sign of improvement by the last day of the antibiotics would you suggest taking them straight back to the vets?
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Post by Zoundz on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:56 pm

Yes - because the antibiotics won't have worked, and the bugs may well have just become resistant to them, or at least be starting to. Definitely do not administer further courses through water though.

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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:08 am

Thanks for the advice. Smile
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:49 am

Hi, I live about 20 minutes away, so if you need any help with dosing etc just give me a shout.
I hope they feel better soon!
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:59 am

Oh, also. I don't know what vets you're with, and if you're happy there, no bother.
I just wanted to recommend my vets because I used to go to one in Bangor and they were ridiculously bad. The one I go to now is Jubilee vets in N'Ards. They're really very good. They have 2 'exotics' vets who I normally see regarding the rats. However, one of the 'regular' vets was the one who put my old lady to sleep a few months ago and I was actually surprised at how knowledgeable and caring he also was. They're also a lot cheaper than the vets I was going to in Bangor, so perhaps if you're able to get to Ards it might be something to consider.
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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:05 am

I was actually talking to my dad about the Jubilee vets the other day as it's the one we used to take our dog to and he was saying it's the best value vets. I use Cedarmount at the moment. I'm pretty happy with them, but my dad says they're known for being expensive. What vets in Bangor did you used to use? If this respiratory thing is going to be a recurring thing with Sybil as I've read respiratory things can be, I may consider a change of vets.
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:15 am

The one I went to was Glen Vetinary Clinic. They really were idiots, they mis-sexed my rats and knew nothing about them Evil Haha.
I haven't heard of Cedarmount! The only reason I went to Glen initially was I hadn't been living in Ards long and hadn't come across any, but my OH previously lived in Bangor and had heard of that one. I do think Jubilee are good value, and they really are very nice and know a decent amount about rats. To be honest, unless it's an emergency I tend to check on forums and online just in case they get dosage wrong, but I haven't had a problem as of yet. As I said, I had a rat PTS there, and they were really very good about it all.
But, if you're happy where you are, then I wouldn't worry about changing if it's a hassle to get to Ards, it was just a suggestion in case you hadn't found a good vet yet. Wink
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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:21 am

Well, I've only actually taken rats there twice. I took Gideon once and he had to be put to sleep. The woman seemed to be very good with him and very respectful. She seemed to know her stuff. I hadn't actually seen her before, so I dunno if she was maybe standing in for someone else or just new. When I took Sybil and Edith, the guy was okay but he seemed to hmm and ha a little. I dunno if it was cos he wasn't sure about stuff cos they were rats or if it was more to do with the fact they're so young and hard to handle, and he just wasn't sure how we were gonna get the antibiotics into them.

One thing for sure, they know more about rats than hamsters. xD I took my old hamster and they were like.. Urm, we dont really deal with hamsters much.. we dont even have dosages for them. I'll try this injection and see what happens! Lol.
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:25 am

Well, as you say it could be lack of knowledge or he could just be uneasy or unsure.
Maybe you could call and ask if they have any vets that specialise in small animals, or just ask outright if he has much experience etc?
I did ask mine a few questions such as if they do rat neutering and how much experience they have of that (not because I'm considering it, just as a way of figuring out how much they see rats and if they've done surgeries etc).
Hopefully you'll not need to go back any time soon anyway, but it's nice to know and trust who you're dealing with.
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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:32 am

Well, Sybil doesn't seem to be getting much better. And as people have said putting the antibiotics in the water isn't a good way so she'll probs have to go back. Hopefully next time we'll get the woman again. If the second try doesn't work, I'll maybe see about taking her to Jubilee.. if anything to save on money. Lol. Luckily Pets At Home covered the first vets bill because she was sick when we got her.
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Post by smokierat on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:56 am

Maybe try hiding the antibiotic in really tasty food?I find it very good,even with fussy rats you just have to find a food they like Smile yogurt,jam if you're stuck,soaked into bread with a little sugar on top...I think there's a good thread with more ideas sonewhere

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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:44 am

They seem to like grapes and eat the whole thing at once, so maybe that's an idea too. Though I'll have to wait for the next course as he's just given me enough baytril to do it the way he's told me and she's already been on it 5 days.
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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:11 am

I think I'm gonna phone the vet tomorrow and talk to him about Sybil and get advice on changing the method of giving her antibiotics and dosages etc. She seemed a little worse with her wheezing tonight and a little out of sorts. I don't want to leave it another 5 days and risk her deteriorating more.

May end up in the vets 3 Fridays in a row!
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Post by Zoundz on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:16 am

((((((hug))))))

Perhaps see if Rachel can help you out? She's local to you and may be able to have a listen to your girl and see what she thinks, and help you with meds etc.

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Post by SaraBloo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:20 am

Since it's a liquid I'm thinking maybe putting it in a grape might work, since they're juicy and she seems to finish off a grape pretty quickly. Just not sure if its okay to change the method half way through a course.

Also gonna change her litter in the bottom cos its a bit dusty, which probably isn't helping either.
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Post by siofradh on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:59 am

redrach wrote:The one I went to was Glen Vetinary Clinic. They really were idiots, they mis-sexed my rats and knew nothing about them Evil Haha.

How can you mis-sex rats Laugh Laugh Laugh I think it's fairly obvious which sex is which lol!!


And welcome to the forum Sara! I'm looking forward to seeing plenty of pics in the future and hope your ratties get better soon Grin Love
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:04 pm

I would call the vet today and get more meds. But i'd definately not give via water, as zoundz said, it doesn't work in water. I'd then start giving it in grapes if you think that might work, or in baby food. What is the bedding they're on? I can reccomend a few if you like. & if you want i can come take a listen to her & see what's up, or help with giving meds if you need. if she is sick she needs the meds asap & given properly. But it may just be common sniffles which is why zoundz suggested i help you figure out which is which. Are you even able to post a video of her?
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Post by redrach on Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:07 pm

siofradh wrote:
redrach wrote:The one I went to was Glen Vetinary Clinic. They really were idiots, they mis-sexed my rats and knew nothing about them Evil Haha.

How can you mis-sex rats Laugh Laugh Laugh I think it's fairly obvious which sex is which lol!!

Well, we all have to start somewhere & it happens a lot more than you'd think.
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Post by SaraBloo on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:16 am

GUH, I couldn't phone the vet today because I ended up being out ALL day. I'd of phoned before I went but didn't realise we'd be out until after vet closing hours. So I'm gonna phone in the morning. I won't be able to take her tomorrow anyways, but my sister is off work so she should be able to providing we can find a pet friendly taxi. My dad is away at the minute and is the only one that can drive.

Anywho. I have a kinda cat litter in the bottom, but I think it's too dusty so I'm getting rid of it tomorrow. That could be aggravating Sybils wheeze. I also got some carefresh as bedding. Thinking of putting news papers in the bottom and carefresh over it to lessen the dust and also give them something to dig through.

Anyways, I got a video. It's not great but you can hear her. Though the noise kinda changes, at the minute it's kinda high pitched.

http://petsnstuff.tumblr.com/post/21871677535/poor-sicky-sybil-a-few-people-asked-to-hear-whats

I'm hoping the vet wont make me take her back since he knows what's wrong with her and I might just be able to collect some more antibiotics to try another method of giving them to her.

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Post by Zoundz on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:14 am

Hard to tell for sure, but it does sound a bit like it could be in her chest. I would definitely try and get a good course of baytril for not putting in water. Doses for it should be on the forum here somewhere Smile

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