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Post by Francois on Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:31 pm

We have opened up our rat sanctuary 3 weeks ago, and so far we have taken in 5 rescues in that time.

Of the 8 rats we have, only 1 of them is not a rescue.

We got 3 rescues coming in over the next week or so.

While we know there are a lot of rats in needs of rescue out there, we need to make a selection of who we take in, as we would run out of space pretty quick.

Younger rats are easier to place, so before contacting us, please check the forums, facebook, etc, so see if a rescue can make it to a new home.

We know that older rats, who lost their cage mate of have been lone for quite some time are sometimes hard to place. They are often unhappy, socialised and don't make good pets in their current state, so we focus on giving these poor boys and girls a home. And sometimes rats are getting dumped because they are sick, in pain and turn aggressive, or are at the end of their life and their owners don't want the hassle of dealing with it.

We do NOT take in "lone rats" from pet shops. How hard it seems, it will only encourage pet shops to continue their business as they will learn quickly they can "dump" left overs and get the next batch in.

As some of you will know, the business of rescuing can be very costly. One rescue was in such a bad shape, it has cost us already over 300 Euros on vet bills to sort the poor little guy out.

Snarf's Rat Sanctuary will therefor be the last hope for the hopeless and discarded. Therefor we ask your understanding that we cannot take every rat that is being offered to us, especially if there is a chance that he or she can find a good home.

Our share will be rat bites, vet bills, but on occasion also great comeback and the joy of seeing a happy rattie making new friends and live out his or her life at the best possible quality. To make it clear, we do not foster, we give them permanent homes Smile

Our website http://snarfs.webs.com/ will tell about some individual stories, on how the rescues are getting on and even has some merchandise like t-shirts with rattie prints, on which we make a 10% commission. We also have a donations page.

In a few months time, we will be relocating, having room for more rats and we will also offer boarding (as a way to keep the cash flow of the sanctuary in check.

Whisker kisses form all the ratties at Snarf's Rat Sanctuary Love


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Post by Zoundz on Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:59 am

Firstly, well done on offering homes to the unwanted Sad

Secondly, are you actually rehoming any rats out or just taking in new pets for yourself? Smile Personally, (and it is personal - others will say if they agree with me or not I'm sure) - I don't feel comfortable with people asking for money/donations for their own pets that they've taken in - if it's a genuine rescue, and homes are being found and animals are being taken from dire circumstances where they had no chance of a home, then that's different, if you see what I mean? Smile

I'm not getting at you by the way, it's just my personal opinion Smile

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:21 am

I would have to agree.Im always delighted to hear of people taking in rescues,esp the 'unpopular' ones Smile We've taken in a couple ourselves,and would love to have more in the future,but obviously its very important to us that we have the room,time etc to give them a pet home.I do think though,even if we had more i would only think of us a pet home as we'd be keeping them,or fostering in a very minor way which is very different in my mind to a rescue.

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Post by DJF on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:44 am

I am also not clear. As a sanctuary, you take in abandoned rats and offer them a home. Do you intend to actively rehabilitate rescues and then allow them to be suitably rehomed? Is a sanctuary different from a rescue? I am confused.

Either way, I think that taking in rescues is a very noble thing to do. As an enterprise, I think you need to be clear on your website if you keep these rats as your pets or rehabilitate and adopt (what most will think a rescue but perhaps not a sanctuary to do).
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Post by Francois on Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:27 am

I think our intentions is very clear stated on our site, we do not foster, we do not rehome.

I be more than happy to remove the topic (or request the topic to be removed) if it gives insult that its possible to donate or support what we do.



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Post by DJF on Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 am

It certainly doesn't give me offence. I just never considered that a sanctuary could be different from a rescue. I like what you are doing and I bet those rats are grateful! Your website also looks great. And yep, on second look your site is clear that you don't foster and you don't rehome.

Are you considering ever going down the rehoming route?
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Post by Francois on Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:43 am

At the moment, we want to focus on the ones that are difficult to place, or "overflow" from rescue centers. The ones we have in came through contacts with rescuers or rescue centers that have tried out placing them with no luck.

I don't excluding re-homing in the future, as we will move to a new location in a few months with more room.

Then we have the room to take in the ones that are easier to re-home.

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Post by Zoundz on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:21 am

Well, for me, it's not the sort of thing that I think is valid for asking for donations, again I'm not getting at you - but it's no different to someone taking in rescues as pets asking for donations towards their upkeep/vets bills...

I'm sure there will be people who think I'm being harsh here, but to me it doesn't feel right asking for money towards vet bills for your pets. Meh Embarrassed

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Post by redrach on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:25 am

I entirely agree with Zoundz.

I think what you're doing for the rats is lovely. But I also think you are just taking in more pets and homing them yourself. You're just being selective on what pets you take i.e. rescues. And so, I personally wouldn't see any reason to donate, as they won't be going on to new homes. For me, it feels like donating would simply be paying for you to keep your own pets, and I don't like the thought of that because you should be able to financially look after what you are taking on as pets yourself (and that's not me suggesting you don't do so).
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Post by Francois on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:37 am

Whether I raise donations or not, they get the care that they need. I actually set the mechanism upon suggestion of the rescue centers I work with.

Now at this point I rather see this topic removed.


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Post by Zoundz on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:41 am

I don't think there's any point in removing the topic - it's just a healthy discussion, we must all stand up to scrutiny Smile

In any case, I think everyone posting here is in agreement that it's a good thing to take on the older less wanted rats Smile it's exactly how I feel about the next rescue dog we get, it will be an older, black greyhound or lurcher, because they are always the last to find homes.

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:50 am

I think we should all be able to discuss and explore different issues,thats what a forum is for really isnt it?noones taking insult as far as i can see,or being nasty-everyone has a right to have their opinion and to express it respectfully,which i think is whats happening here.

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Post by DJF on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:55 am

I agree regarding healthy discussion and scrutiny. I don't think the topic should be eradicated because people have taken a slight issue with a single aspect of your endeavour. You can offer people the option to donate or buy something, they don't have too.

Now that sanctuary vs rescue has been clarified in my mind, I would love to see a dedicated rat rescue operating in Ireland, committed to the rehabilitation and rehoming of rats as well as education and outreach. As Ireland is so small and rats not so popular, such an initiative is perhaps best done via a network of people dispersed throughout the country. I am sure this happens unofficially on a small scale already.

Is your sanctuary committed to education and outreach? Do you envisage being the 'face' of neglected rats or do you simply desire to help out established rescues by taking in the the 'tricky' ones?
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Post by Zoundz on Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:59 am

It definitely does already go on DJF Smile we often take in unwanteds, and they are homed in the same way our own rats would be. Case in point being Grace's girls Gypsy and Annie Smile

There have been dedicated rescues here too in the past, but they've stopped for one reason and another. We always soak up any rescues in this area, I feel it's some part our responsibility, trying to promote rats as pets, doing pet expos, running the fancy (what little there is of it) and being breeders as well, I always feel good breeding and rescue go hand in hand, like breed rescue with dogs for example.

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:23 am

I think anyone who really loves rats will have a soft spot for rescues,i think the forum can be a great resource for people to share information etc and potentially home rescues that appear around the country.

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Post by Francois on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:24 am

DJF wrote:

Is your sanctuary committed to education and outreach? Do you envisage being the 'face' of neglected rats or do you simply desire to help out established rescues by taking in the the 'tricky' ones?

One of the things we try to do, especially with the blog, is raise awareness. While not trying to be a public forum, we share all information and links we have, alongside offering a view of what is happening within the sanctuary. We are not all knowing, so we will write about our failures as well, for others to learn. By giving a lot of information on each rat, how they are doing, how we try to re-socialise them, what ailments they may suffer when they come in and how we proceeded with that, we hope to give a good insight on what is involved with rescuing or adopting a rat. Goose is a good example. Neither the original rescuer, or ourselves were able to pinpoint the reason for his aggression at first. If we hadn't taken him to the vet to have him checked out, we would have never discovered that the poor guy had a solidified abscess (the original diagnoses was a hernia, but during the operation he got, it became clear he had the solidified abscess)

These are things that can happen with any rat, change their behaviour and we think our experiences can also help the rat community in general. It also gives a good understanding what is involved in rescues.. its sometimes more then getting them a better "owner" and we think by sharing our experiences it can give a good idea on what you could be facing when dealing with a rescue rat.

As for being the "face" of neglected rats, we are too small for that and we believe that there are a good few faces already, to which we happily link and promote towards them. We don't think being another fragment will help much in that.

For the time being we work with other rescuers and take on the ones that due to their age, condition or behaviour require a permanent home and a lot of patience.

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Post by Pauline Hurscht on Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:05 am

Francois, I just wanted to let you know that you should be proud of what you do.
To see people saying that you are looking for a way to pay for your pets is, in my opinion, a defamation of your character and your work.

You give these rats a home which is far better then most rats can hope for, especially those you decide to take in.

I have nothing but admiration for your patience and your good heart.

I advise you to focus on an audience that will see and understand what you are trying to do. Remember, you work with the rescuers, so make their opinion count. Let the judgement of those who did not take in those rats, when you did, mean nothing to you. Because of after all the moralising, those rats didn't have a home until you gave them one.

You can count my support and that of my organisation, even if we are borders apart.

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Post by Zoundz on Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:40 am

I'm sorry - the above post is out of order...

Those who have posted in a considered and considerate way on this thread *do* take rats in regularly - and do *not* ask for donations to pay for bills etc.

From what I have seen, if I may be blunt, harsh and brutally honest, many of the rats that Francois has taken in have been up for rehoming for less than a nanosecond, they would quite probably have found homes elsewhere. That's fine that Francois has taken them, but he has taklen them as pets, not as a rescue, and to ask for money is, in my opinion, pretty out of order.

Please, do not join this forum just to start a flame war.

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:54 am

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To see people saying that you are looking for a way to pay for your pets is, in my opinion, a defamation of your character
I really dont think its defamatory to express an opinion about the workings of a rescue or sanctuary,its really not a word you should throw around the place.If you noticed,*everyone* who commented on this thread stated that it was admirable that he was choosing to rescue rats.Is that defamatory?
Also,with any respect that might be due-you dont have a clue about any rescue work or otherwise that people on this forum have done Pauline,as you appear to have just joined this forum now or am i mistaken?

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:58 am

nt. Let the judgement of those who did not take in those rats, when you did, mean nothing to you. Because of after all the moralising, those rats didn't have a home until you gave them one
.....hmmmm...this phrase strikes me as a tad "moralising" but it might just be me Smile


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Post by Francois on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:07 am

Zoundz wrote:

From what I have seen, if I may be blunt, harsh and brutally honest, many of the rats that Francois has taken in have been up for rehoming for less than a nanosecond, they would quite probably have found homes elsewhere. That's fine that Francois has taken them, but he has taklen them as pets, not as a rescue, and to ask for money is, in my opinion, pretty out of order.

Please, do not join this forum just to start a flame war.

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Zoundz, you are saying that I proactively gathered pets and that rescuers did NOT approach me because there were no takers?!?!?!?!

you are blunt and harsh, but ignorance is never to be a foundation of honesty. I'm done here

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Post by smokierat on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:20 am

im sure people did approach you francois,but there was at least once that i saw a sanctuary advertise a rat needing a home and you replied on facebook very quickly that you would take it.Nothing at all wrong with that but different to a rat that couldnt be otherwise rehomed.Im saddened to see that a level headed discussion cant be treated as such,its a real pity that people get so sensitive but such is life i suppose

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Post by Lew on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:46 am

I'm going to close this for a while to give people a chance to cool down.

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